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Let's create a webring! pt3 qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-12-04 20:29:44 No. 37647[Last 50 Posts][Watch Thread]

Hello lainons, this is the part 3 of the webring thread
last thread: >>29660
How do i join?
post:
* link to your website
* a 240x60 banner of your website
i'll be adding your websites to https://qorg11.net/webring.xhtml
site of the lainon who came up with the idea: https://yukinu.com
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qorg11!Tp9.GentOo 2020-12-04 20:44:49 No. 37648>>38735

My banners:
https://qorg11.net/img/bigqorg.png
https://qorg11.net/img/kill-9.xyz.png
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Boris Grishenko 2020-12-04 21:03:41 No. 37649

>>37642
I am actually hoping more to receive mail than send. Email is mostly an corperate mailbox as is postal these days. Cellphones and IM have all peoples real data.
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Yet Another Lainon 2020-12-04 22:29:20 No. 37655>>38056

The anon who did this site: https://nightt.neocities.org/
Your site is pure nostalgia for me. I also love the fact that some images are links(which I didn't realize the first time I visited the site) to more images. Thank you for making it.
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Dujour 2020-12-05 00:03:26 No. 37663

real last thread: >>33813
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Trinity 2020-12-05 15:35:29 No. 37696>>37698>>37700>>38054>>38735>>38741>>38797>>39347

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My site is https://lainch.leibur.eu
RIght now it's mostly in Estonian, I'll add a English language option when I can.
For now there isn't much, but I'm working on getting a webradio set up.
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Frank Garza 2020-12-05 16:00:57 No. 37698

>>37696
>Failibrauser
The absolute state of eesti keel))
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concealed.world 2020-12-05 16:17:43 No. 37700

Went radio silent for a while, but my copy of the web ring should still be up to date: https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
>>37496
>>37516
>>37553
Are all added.
>>37696
Also added you.
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Junk !!tfljjc8DUk 2020-12-06 17:03:45 No. 37793>>37794>>37805>>38053

this is cute
if anyone wants to make an ad for the lain ring, we'll definitely run it in lainzine 7
I'll put a banner for lainzine.org up soon
also hi qorg
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William Holtzer 2020-12-06 17:17:04 No. 37794

>>37793
Finish lainzine 5 first pls
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Marly Krushkhova 2020-12-06 18:00:50 No. 37798>>37800

I'm no good with visuals, but here's an idea for the text:
>Ever feel alone? spun-up in a vast web of lies?
>[more pseudo- emotional-manipulation/propaganda]
>Join the everlasting circle-jerk: lainring [banner, link]
Another idea is one that's hyperbolically fearmongering, parodying the way some ``secure'' services do.
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Yuki Nagato 2020-12-06 18:18:29 No. 37800

>>37798
so basically you want to found a branch of the Church of SubGenius?
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Spike Spiegel 2020-12-06 19:38:08 No. 37804>>38041

Coarse Enigma Introduction to DNS
>http://cgjzkysxa4ru5rhrtr6rafckhexbisbtxwg2fg743cjumioysmirhdad.onion/blog/introduction-to-dns.html
>Overview of Internet DNS infrastructure
>How to Query with Dig
>Authoritative vs Non
>Recursive vs Non
>What does alice think?
>What kind of content does alice want?
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qorg!Tp9.GentOo 2020-12-06 19:39:31 No. 37805

>>37793
hi junk! :3
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kiwami 2020-12-07 22:25:53 No. 37862>>38103

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hello my fellow webringers.
I am really busy with exams, I will update the list soon!
cya y'all
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qorg 2020-12-09 23:54:50 No. 37995

ill update my webring one of these days, i can't rn
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Goat 2020-12-10 04:24:31 No. 38022>>38024

I put a page up on lain tilde 0.
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Crash Override 2020-12-10 04:41:12 No. 38024

>>38022
link?
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Trinity 2020-12-10 06:10:08 No. 38041>>38042>>38061

>>37804
Interesting article on DNS. Is it possible to query some central server and get info on all registered names in the world?
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Anonymous 2020-12-10 06:14:01 No. 38042

>>38041
No, most DNS servers don't allow bulk transfer of domain information. This is partly "security" to prevent easy enumeration of "private" networks. Note the scare quotes, as you shouldn't actually depend on this to protect you.
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fsociety 2020-12-10 08:26:10 No. 38052

yukinu, i was checking in and saw your site has been suspended :( what's happened, everything good?
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Cowboy 2020-12-10 08:27:44 No. 38053

>>37793
Hmm, what would the ad look like? An ad for the concept, an ad for the lainchan thread, or an ad that contains everyone in the webring?
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Just another Random Lainon 2020-12-10 08:33:16 No. 38054

>>37696
do you know of a guide on setting up an audio stream like this?
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Yuki Nagato 2020-12-10 09:02:20 No. 38056

>>37655
only just realized what small_windows_see_the_truth is about, man i love that site
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Sabo Engle 2020-12-10 11:34:45 No. 38061

>>38041
No because DNS is delegated. So the root servers hold only pointers to the TLD servers. The TLD servers hold pointers to servers for a paticular zone. So no single nameserver anywhere knows everything. Caching Nameservers / ISP nameservers listen to an answer a wide variety of queries, and therefore have a lot of info cached, but there is no obvious way to get that information.
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Vasya Pupkin 2020-12-10 21:21:03 No. 38103

>>37862
Same here, anon. It all ends this Monday, then I'll get some articles and whatnot ready.
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Lady Jessica 2020-12-11 02:36:43 No. 38121>>38154>>38184>>38735>>38741>>39347>>40027

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Resubmitting my site since I now have a better banner (the old activelink.png still exists)
clearnet: https://mayvaneday.art
tor: http://meynethaffeecapsvfphrcnfrx44w2nskgls2juwitibvqctk2plvhqd.onion
i2p: http://zli2qsg54w7y42vgw4xxlnj4nktcpg7xp33yjxkp33sjafvznbwa.b32.i2p
if any pages are missing, that's because I'm preparing to drop a new book new year's day 2021 and I have to rearrange a few things
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Unknown 2020-12-11 14:16:37 No. 38154>>38189

>>38121
weird, your clearnet domain stopped working in the pas t hour, do you know what's up with that?
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Cumbia 2020-12-11 20:00:48 No. 38177>>38184>>38199>>38735>>38741>>39347

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>>37647 (OP)
https://cumbia.neocities.org/ add me pls
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concealed.world 2020-12-11 20:56:07 No. 38184>>38195

It's been a while, I'm back again. I've done things to clean up code on the back-end, but more notably, I have onion domains for all of my sites. If I make any more subdomains, they'll definitely get onions too. You can add them as my link if you prefer:
concealed.world: http://hpxhgn5rajv3gcfi6ynqlglc75iny4kt27gt2z3cabs6jegpgpbhvkid.onion/
git.concealed.world: http://q4zdtysdf2v6vijgbv7jemztmsls4jyo3kte6yuoodkzqbel25yhidyd.onion/
>>38121
I've added your new image, and listed your onion address on my onion mirror.
>>38177
It's a bit small as we're doing 240x60, but I've added it for the time being anyway. I like that you've done more since I last saw you.
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Hacker 2020-12-11 22:04:04 No. 38189

>>38154
Everything is working just fine on my end. Check your DNS config. Apparently whatever the default DNS provider at Namesilo (I think it's DNSOwl) has been having lots of problems lately for others.
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Cumbia 2020-12-11 23:21:07 No. 38195

>>38184
Thank you
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Arisu Mizuki 2020-12-12 04:19:38 No. 38199

>>38177
Bonito
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Molly Millions 2020-12-16 16:49:30 No. 38669>>38670>>38671>>38720>>38725>>38735>>38741>>39347

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Add this https://wired-7.org/wired.html
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Ishikura "Tatsu" Tatsuhiko 2020-12-16 16:50:13 No. 38670>>38671

>>38669
Vuelve a tu puto sitio de mierda, node
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Cumbia 2020-12-16 16:52:06 No. 38671>>38676

>>38670
>>38669
Fui yo
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Mitnick 2020-12-16 18:43:49 No. 38676>>38813

>>38671
Porque no hacer un webring en wired-7 tambien?
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The Plague 2020-12-16 22:38:49 No. 38690>>38725>>38735>>38741>>39347

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>>37647 (OP)
You lains have cute websites to be honest
https://sftn.github.io
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Terzibashjian 2020-12-17 02:08:50 No. 38698>>38720>>38725>>38735>>39347

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https://heyuri.net
https://static.heyuri.net/image/buttons/240x60.png
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sage sage 2020-12-17 08:36:13 No. 38720>>38725>>38736

>>38669
>>38698
this is for personal websites, not for soykafty imageboards
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Guthrie 2020-12-17 14:32:39 No. 38725>>38741>>38754>>38755

>>38690
Added you, I love the style. Welcome home pink comrade.
https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
>>38720
Going to side with this lainon on this issue.
Typically I would give someone the benefit of the doubt, as their site may be WIP, and they may be unfamiliar with the tools used, so I will add them anyway. It takes little effort on my part, and it is difficult to police. I'm personally choosing to add just about anyone.
However, if you're running an imageboard, you're clearly familiar enough with the tools used that it should take a few minutes to do at most. If you're too lazy for this, do as https://sftn.github.io/links.html, and just link to someone else's copy.
I've dropped 28chan.org and kolyma.jp from my web ring unless they add it themselves, though I'll keep a copy of their banners server-side. Likewise, I'll keep heyuri.net and wired-7.org's banners around, but I'll add them when they add the ring to their own sites.
I advise anyone else to follow the same principle if in doubt.
>>38698
Refer to above, find somewhere to link the ring. I note you have a "Links" page.
>>38669
Likewise, and your banner isn't even 240x60. Also
>can't load plain HTML without JavaScript
>CSS fog animation trying to assassinate my CPU
I shiggy diggy.
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Urist 2020-12-17 15:16:59 No. 38727

Oh, I thought the thread died, I was still lurking in the old one. I forgot to take my flashdrive with the updated webpages.
I'll update mine soon enough and add all of ye
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getimiskon 2020-12-17 16:51:45 No. 38735

>>37696
>>38177
>>38669
>>38690
>>38698
added
https://getimiskon.neocities.org/links.html#webring
>>37648
added the kill-9 link
>>38121
updated the banner
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Ivan Horvat 2020-12-17 17:04:10 No. 38736>>38737>>38739

>>38720
>not for soykafty imageboards
Competition makes Lain sad?
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Undisclosed 2020-12-17 17:10:48 No. 38737>>38739>>38748

>>38736
I feel the spirit of the original web ring thread was to promote the creation of new, small sites. Adding Pointless Imageboard(tm) #473 to that doesn't quite fit.
That being said, I'd probably still add them if they also added the web ring. I think a lot of imageboard owners post their link and never check the thread again, so I'm at no obligation to give them free traffic.
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Nobody important 2020-12-17 17:18:13 No. 38739

>>38736
>competition
More like spammers taking advantage of the webring thread. You would likely be surprised at how many people do exactly what >>38737 said... and for what purpose? Some future donation campaign like the last 2 or 3 imageboards? SAD!
Polite sage for being loosely off-topic.
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qorg11 2020-12-17 17:42:07 No. 38741>>38755

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>>37696
Added
>>38121
updated
>>38177
240x60 and i'll add you
>>38669
Si node nos añade, con mucho gusto
>>38690
added
>>38725
this
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Unknown 2020-12-17 20:09:49 No. 38748>>38749

>>38737
Nope, i actually checked this thread this morning but waited until i got on my pc to post. I think you made alot of unfair generalizations about me and the site without even checking it out.
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Project 2501 2020-12-17 20:29:35 No. 38749

>>38748
Yeah, I'll admit it's a generalisation, but I feel like I need that default standpoint as so not to give benefit of the doubt to people that shouldn't need it, because an imageboard owner should know how to and be capable of adding a web ring.
For your individual case you'd prove me wrong if you host or link to the ring, and I would add you. Which site was yours?
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Meddler 2020-12-17 22:54:38 No. 38753>>38755>>38756>>38785>>38797>>38838>>39347

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https://lilibyte.net
long time lurker finally posting. lacking in content but just started recently. been up just over a couple of weeks and already have thousands of automated bot requests seeking exploits. will have to look into mitigating that if it gets too annoying.
todo: lots of backend quality of life changes, customizable rss, maybe a schway radio page
took the advice of concealedworld and will start excluding forums that dont include the webring
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Tyrell Wellick 2020-12-17 22:56:46 No. 38754>>38755>>38756>>38785>>38797>>39347

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>>38725
You inspired me to finally post my soykafty website that is under construction (and probably will be for a good while).
I didn't want to at first because I currently don't really have the time and energy to work on the website and because I don't have a banner, but I decided to just make a quick one and maybe update it later.
I really like the webring idea so I want to contribute to it.
I'll add the other lainon's site banners when I have the time and energy, but for now I'll go the way of linking other people's ring's.
Enjoy, I guess
https://wiredspace.de/
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Ivan Petrov 2020-12-17 23:17:44 No. 38755

>>38753
>>38725
>>38741
>>38754
https://sftn.github.io/webring.html
yuniko.com looks ded to me btw
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concealed.world 2020-12-17 23:55:58 No. 38756>>38763

I'm reminded I should start using the name field again, I forget about it. I would trip, but my writing style is distinctive and I find it unlikely I'm interesting enough to pretend to be.
https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
>>38753
Added. I like your style and your content.
>already have thousands of automated bot requests seeking exploits. will have to look into mitigating that if it gets too annoying.
I had the same thing happen. It started when I joined freedns.afraid.org, as it allowed me to make a cron job to do DDNS. It's been months and I've yet to have more visitors than I have had bots, but the numbers are now closing in on one another.
You could try out something like fail2ban, or work with what's available with iptables already. I wrote a script to manage it, but that's not really necessary, just flexing on my part - it's on my Git server.
>https://lilibyte.net/node/hello-web/
>"unapologetically share the things I believe in, or that interest me enough for me to deem them worthy of being shouted into the digital void?"
I personally find it tough justifying my yells into the abyss, as it would infer that my opinions actually matter. It always makes me happy seeing people's personal sites, though. I should write more soon.
>>38754
Added you too.
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wiredspace.de 2020-12-18 07:04:10 No. 38763>>38845

>>38756
>Added you too.
Much appreciated!
I realized I have some free time on my hands this weekend, so I might be able to add the banners to my own webring after all.
My webdev workflow is essentially non-existent at this point, making everything really tedious.
If you have any tips for a workflow (that would ideally fit the minimalistic style that I'm going for on my website) that works for you, or worked for you starting out, I'd appreciate it a lot!
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Grafo Volaverunt 2020-12-18 10:27:33 No. 38764

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Just updated the webring on my site!
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Yet Another Lainon 2020-12-18 19:41:04 No. 38778>>38785>>38790>>38845>>39347

I had this cute little static site that is my own personal link farm for a while now. It's hosted on a local rpi 3b+ and due to my internet connection it doesn't have 99.9999% uptime, but it's up most of the time. I don't even pay for the domain. There is also a little blog, though I'm not sure I really want to recommend it to anybody.
site: https://strlst.myogaya.jp/index.html
banner: https://strlst.myogaya.jp/res/banners/strlst.png
you can view the webring in all it's glory at https://strlst.myogaya.jp/misc/webring.html, hopefully you'll take me in
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Hououin Kyouma 2020-12-18 21:53:10 No. 38785>>38809

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>>38753
Nice website!
>>38754
Added
>>38778
added
I've also added the website i haven't added yet for some reason
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Grafo Volaverunt 2020-12-18 23:28:29 No. 38790>>38809

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>>38778
added!
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kiwami 2020-12-19 00:55:49 No. 38797>>38798>>38809

>>37696
I have updated my website you are in!
http://alienozi.c1.biz!>>38121
>>38753
>>38754
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Special Agent Bob 2020-12-19 02:24:45 No. 38798

I used >>38797 your web ring links to open everyone's pages to take a look. I currently don't have a site, but I'm thinking of making one soon. I got a roaring laugh out of qorg11's email to RMS:
http://lainwir3s4y5r7mqm3kurzpljyf77vty2hrrfkps6wm4nnnqzest4lqd.onion/funnyhtmls/stallmanlain.en.html
>I ask for a friend
Nice work on all your sites and making it fun to explore them easily.
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sage Drano 2020-12-19 11:53:24 No. 38809>>38815

>>38785
>>38790
>>38797
>added
Awesome! I was sort of intoxicated when I decided to make an effort for the webring, now that I look back, perhaps I should try to make the site more appealing.
It's curious how keeping the webring up to speed works without any sort of central management.
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Cumbia 2020-12-19 16:11:21 No. 38813>>38815

>>38676
Tengo pensado hacerlo
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qorg 2020-12-19 17:29:05 No. 38815>>38840>>38845

>>38809
I think we have nothing better to do
>>38813
Me pido ser el primero
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Undisclosed 2020-12-20 07:24:27 No. 38838

>>38753
this site is really cool
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Cumbia 2020-12-20 08:03:24 No. 38840>>38920>>38982>>39934

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>>38815
Añademe https://cumbia.neocities.org/
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concealed.world 2020-12-20 13:16:57 No. 38845>>38857>>38898

https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
>>38778
Added. I appreciate you keeping links and lists around, all I have are some sites I like and my record collection.
>>38815
>I think we have nothing better to do
Lmao
>>38763
>If you have any tips for a workflow
Hm, it depends on what software you are using. I generally consider the ideal to be automation - to automate all that can be automated in the most efficient manner you can. Reserve creativity for the brain, and leave the manual work for the machine.
I see static site generators being used, I liked the look of www.tohya.net a lot. You could write something from scratch, or use something existing.
Scripting languages often used in web development are also an option - I automated almost everything with PHP (I had no prior experience and it was the first web scripting language I came across, but it works for me), so that writing an article was as simple as dropping a plain HTML file into a directory and then later I automated writing the HTML itself to an extent too.
I would at least say that including the header and footer should be automated, either via a scripting language, or static site generator - on the big assumption you haven't already. You may get more ideas as you go along, and your needs become more complex.
I like Vim because I like bulk actions and macros. It may help when doing things like long lists. Consider an editor with macros.
That's probably about all I can suggest, unless you're looking for something more specific.
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Grafo Volaverunt 2020-12-20 18:29:18 No. 38857>>38865

>>38845
>I generally consider the ideal to be automation
I really need to start learning how to do this. My site has 0% automation (I am even adding stuff to the RSS manually) and would be nice to speed things up
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concealed.world 2020-12-20 19:07:54 No. 38865>>38926

>>38857
On the assumption you're on a Linux distro or a *BSD, learning some Bash/sh should suffice. I have a script that parses my article content and various other variables, and inserts them to the top of the feed with sed. It's not portable and I only expect it to work as an example, but see here: https://git.concealed.world/shell-scripts/file/mkrss.html
Basically any web scripting language will have something akin to an 'include', for things like headers and footers, thus avoiding the circumstance where the header needs changed - and you need to change it for every file. Alternatively, static site generators, but I have little experience with them.
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Eldon Tyrell 2020-12-20 19:35:03 No. 38867>>38870>>38891>>38898>>38920>>38927>>39023>>39025>>39088>>39347

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Heya! been a lurker/nonfat-soykaf drinker on lainchan and 8chan's cyber for a while,, made a site a couple weeks ago... do yall think it has the guts to join yer webring :3
https://user-index.xyz
Sorry the name is real stupid,, I got a really hawt deal on it tho :D
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concealed.world 2020-12-20 20:07:29 No. 38870>>38884>>38898>>38927

https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
>>38867
Added clearnet link on clearnet web ring, and likewise onion link on onion web ring. Your site reminds me of simpler times, whether or not that was intentional.
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Meddler 2020-12-20 23:23:31 No. 38884

>>38870
We are honored concealed.world-sama,, thank you for this oppurtunity!
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Grafo Volaverunt 2020-12-21 03:17:23 No. 38891>>38927>>38972

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>>38867
added!
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wiredspace.de 2020-12-21 09:57:27 No. 38898>>38899>>38927

>>38845
>it depends on what software you are using.
Not any currently to be honest. I'm running my web server for hosting my website and that's essentially it.
I used a static site generator (https://www.romanzolotarev.com/ssg.html) to convert Markdown files from a small wiki I had hosted on GitHub to html, but that didn't work too well and I had to fix a bunch of stuff, so I won't use that one anymore.
>I see static site generators being used
That's what I want to start using at one point, I just have to get into it. It seems like the best solution for a static website, Just need to find one I like.
>Scripting languages often used in web development are also an option
Things like PHP seem a bit overkill for me. I see the use you have for it, and your workflow is nicely adapted to it, but I don't think it would make sense for me.
>and then later I automated writing the HTML itself to an extent too
I saw you having a post about that, wanted to read through it at one point. It seemed interesting. Maybe it will give me some inspiration.
>on the big assumption you haven't already.
yeah... I don't yet lol. That's a big part of why I asked about the workflow you guys had. Static site generators seem to be able to do that; the one I used, ssg, just had you put 2 files in your directory and the content of those would be pre-/appended to the other files that are supposed to be converted.
The downside is you have to generate everything again after changing a header, but I guess to me that's better than using php only to include those dynamically.
That makes me think, maybe entr could be used to look for changes in these 2 files ssg uses to automatically generate new versions of files and put them in the right place...
>I like Vim because I like bulk actions and macros.
You have good taste. I can't work without vim.
I'm just looking for a web development workflow, the rest I'm more than familiar with. I just haven't dabbled with webdev.
Thanks for the suggestions, it jumpstarted my brain. Now to not be lazy and implement the stuff...
>>38867
I can't relate to the content at all, but as >>38870 said, the site has a nice nostalgic? vibe to it.
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concealed.world 2020-12-21 10:06:52 No. 38899>>38905

>>38898
Yeah, it's perhaps true that a scripting language was of more use to me, because when I started making my site I had a very specific vision of how I wanted it to work, and was willing to start from scratch. Granted, it's total overkill to just convey text, the site became admittedly more like a personal art project. A static site generator will probably suit most people better.
>I saw you having a post about that, wanted to read through it at one point. It seemed interesting.
That was also somewhat overkill, but I had fun with it.
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wiredspace.de 2020-12-21 12:35:02 No. 38905

>>38899
>overkill
Doesn't matter as long as you have fun with it.
I'm currently setting up my page with a static site generator. I decided to go for blogc because I like the philosophy behind it.
It will take some time, though. I essentially need to redo everything from scratch, convert my GitHub wiki thing to blogc's own source language, figure out how the templates work exactly and think about the structure of my website (I'm not sure if I want to keep the wiki section).
I'm writing my first proper blog post on it as I go, in case I forget how I set up stuff or someone else stumbles upon it and can get some useful information out of it (I didn't find anything on blogc just browsing around for a few minutes). Will also put my stuff up on GitHub, as usual (before setting up my own git server instance that is).
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fr0st 2020-12-21 17:14:33 No. 38920

>>38867
added the onion mirror!
>>38840
added!
My website is text-only but I have a banner: http://ic3333h2g3p7ffv6ypscxfvgomi2oj7x45xkqzpay6txjl2nlg5qwcid.onion/webring/banner.png
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Grafo Volaverunt 2020-12-21 18:58:54 No. 38926>>38928

>>38865
Thank you for sharing this, it really helps a lot. I'm using linux now but just started with this so my knowledge of bash is basically none, but well I need to start somewhere
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user index 2020-12-21 19:38:32 No. 38927

>>38891
>added!
Thanks boss!
>>38898
>I can't relate to the content at all, but as >>38870 said, the site has a nice nostalgic? vibe to it.
Jaja we are unsure of our vibe aswell,, thx for adding!
>>38867 (You)
>added the onion mirror!
Thanks frost daddy! love ur onion!!! <3
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concealed.world 2020-12-21 19:42:37 No. 38928>>38934

>>38926
This may be a shameless self-plug, but it actually occured to me while posting my haphazard scripting on my website, I should make some suggestions for how people would make their own. If you're familiar with the fundamental concepts of a programming language, it should be enough to give you a starting point: https://concealed.world/Scripting/_index.php?post=scriptingessentials.php
Of course, plenty of resources out there. I never set out to learn Bash, I just learned a little bit whenever I thought to automate something. It's often reffered to as not being a real language, but for that reason it's stupidly easy to pick up.
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Grafo Volaverunt 2020-12-22 00:47:28 No. 38934

>>38928
>This may be a shameless self-plug
Don worry at all about that, this is exactly what I was needing to start. Thanks a lot!
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Anonymous 2020-12-22 21:57:57 No. 38962>>38963>>38964>>38967

disappointed to see no Gemini/Gopher sites here
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Nanashi No Gombe 2020-12-22 23:30:50 No. 38963>>38968>>38982

>>38962
Gemini is a stupid fad that will pass. I'm not interested in joining this webring, but here's my Gopher hole:
gopher://verisimilitudes.net
I usually avoid linking to my work like this, but that's all these threads exist for, so it's different. I'd be interested in receiving any thoughts on my work, of course.
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Anamika 2020-12-22 23:45:54 No. 38964>>38970

>>38962
Sorry, anon-kun, I thought this was an HTTP thread, so I only put my HTTP site :( but since there is now demand!
gopher://meynethaffeecapsvfphrcnfrx44w2nskgls2juwitibvqctk2plvhqd.onion
gemini://meynethaffeecapsvfphrcnfrx44w2nskgls2juwitibvqctk2plvhqd.onion/index.html
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Pulse 2020-12-23 01:51:32 No. 38967

>>38962
there's gopher://qorg11.net but i don't update it
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Miho Iwakura 2020-12-23 01:55:38 No. 38968>>38969

>>38963
>Gemini is a stupid fad that will pass.
Why?
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Dujour 2020-12-23 02:03:30 No. 38969>>38974>>38982

>>38968
Gemini is someone looking at how people are abusing Gopher, such as using menues for articles rather than the text item type, and deciding that a format which makes that the default, along with mandatory encryption and some other garbage strewn on top, makes for a compelling new protocol. Gemini has undesirable and completely unnecessary characteristics at the protocol level, such as freeform fields where fixed-location would be better, and doesn't even allow for resuming a download at a certain point, which is so basic and an example of something that would be a meaningful addition over Gopher.
Mandatory encryption done like this is nonsense, and it also kills most attempts at retro computing, which is a large part of the draw with Gopher. It's entirely uncompelling.
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!Tp9.GentOo 2020-12-23 02:12:57 No. 38970>>38974

>>38964
I've sent you an email regarding the activelink of your freesite
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Just another Random Lainon 2020-12-23 03:06:57 No. 38972

>>38891
Checked the sites and welp, I wish to be this cool
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Boris Grishenko 2020-12-23 03:42:26 No. 38974>>38976

>>38969
> mandatory encryption is uncompelling
would you rather have your ISP able to silently change your text in transit? I agree with you on the resumable downloads part, though
> it also kills most attempts at retro computing
Different use cases for different devices. Nobody is forcing you to use Gemini if Gopher is all that works on your machine
>>38970
> I can't download your activelink
Everything is fine on my end, but I've force-reinserted it for good measure.
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Mentat 2020-12-23 04:18:39 No. 38976>>38977>>38979>>38980>>38982

>>38974
>would you rather have your ISP able to silently change your text in transit?
I send almost all of my traffic through Tor, and I've never had an issue with unencrypted resources being tampered with. Perfect strangers are more trustworthy than US corporations being paid, I know.
What I eventually want to do is provide signed hash digests of my files in a known location, which provides stronger guarantees than TLS does. I don't care if traffic be encrypted nearly as much as I care that it be what was intended.
Of course, I highly doubt anything offered over Gemini is genuinely worth encrypting. The reason encrypting everyone's stupid little websites, no matter how insignificant, became popular is because Google, et al. didn't want their advertisements being interfered with. Now they can use encryption to control hardware after they sell it, which is disgusting. It also has the added benefit that hardware not even one decade old is beginning to become useless for browsing the WWW, requiring new hardware with newer software.
If I were to only offer my website encrypted, that would make me entirely dependent on outside organizations over which I've no control, and I refuse this if only because it's unnecessary.
The one time I've noticed my website being intercepted, and having JavaScript injected, was when some jackass placed Cloudflare over my website, for some reason; the fool may have even thought he was doing something helpful.
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Bobby Newmark 2020-12-23 04:26:02 No. 38977>>38978>>38979

>>38976
> If I were to only offer my website encrypted, that would make me entirely dependent on outside organizations over which I've no control, and I refuse this if only because it's unnecessary.
Curious to know your thoughts on self-signed certificates, since they don't seem to have this dependency?
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Boris Grishenko 2020-12-23 04:55:58 No. 38978

>>38977
I'm to understand the WWW browsers purposefully make using these infeasible; were that not the case, I'd probably be offering one. In any case, my website will always be offered unencrypted. The only excuse for omnipresent encryption is if it's going to be done competently and at a level that can't cause issues so very easily, such as the level of the network itself. Gemini has little good reason to make encryption mandatory.
So, I'm of the opinion that encryption either needs to be done well and at a level where the average user need not even think of it, much less interact with it when programming most of the times, or that eliding encryption should always be an option.
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Hitomi 2020-12-23 05:01:22 No. 38979>>38981

>>38977
I'll predict that it's just as bafflingly incoherent and devoid of knowledge of how the web works as the rest of their word-salad in >>38976.
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Lain Iwakura 2020-12-23 05:30:08 No. 38980>>38981

>>38976
>Now they can use encryption to control hardware after they sell it
Explain.
>hardware not even one decade old is beginning to become useless for browsing the WWW
I have a desktop and a laptop that are both over a decade old that were low-end even back in their day, and they function just fine with "modern" websites? The only problem I've seen is screen tearing with flashy animated backgrounds on Neocities sites
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Void 2020-12-23 06:09:44 No. 38981>>38982

>>38979
Don't spill the soykaf. If I'm thought to be wrong, then tell me why. In any case, let this be my last post on this topic; feel free to have the last word. I want to discuss my work, not the WWW or Gemini.
>>38980
Google and other companies sell hardware which uses encryption to serve its true master, not the person who purchased it. Google helped champion that DNS over HTTPS garbage, and that conveniently prevents people who purchase the hardware from telling it which DNS server to use, which is useful for things such as monitoring and blocking advertisements. Now, more advanced users could spoof the DNS server IP addresses, were it not for techniques such as certificate pinning. Companies such as Google shove ever more around with HTTPS in order to make it an all-or-nothing blocking effort.
I referred in particular to the awful little tracking devices called cell phones by this. They stop getting updated after a few years, which conveniently includes TLS and certificate updates, so they eventually can't access most encrypted websites, and ever more websites are only available encrypted, without much reason.
Now again, have the last word on this topic, I don't care. I'll only respond further if it involves my work, which actually interests me.
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Jens Hansen 2020-12-23 06:17:34 No. 38982

>>38963
>>38969
>>38976
>>38981
no need to be rude, anon. you were the one who came in here and derailed the thread
>>38840
I may be blind, but did you just resize your original site button? it's very blurry and hard on the eyes compared to the other ones on the webring
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Joob 2020-12-23 23:30:34 No. 39010>>39019>>39023>>39025>>39057>>39088>>39347

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>>37647 (OP)
heya qorg pretty cool webring idea I'm a partner site with user-index and would be very happy if you added me to the ring!
https://user-outdex.xyz
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concealed.world 2020-12-24 03:51:07 No. 39019

>>39010
Added
https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
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!Tp9.GentOo 2020-12-24 05:09:12 No. 39023

>>39010
>>38867
please give me a sec ill add them one of these days
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!Tp9.GentOo 2020-12-24 10:19:40 No. 39025>>39070

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>>39010
>>38867
alright
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Grafo Volaverunt 2020-12-25 20:47:58 No. 39057>>39070

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>>39010
just added your site!
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Joob 2020-12-26 03:33:47 No. 39070

>>39025
>>39057
Thanks guys :D
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Leto Atreides I 2020-12-26 16:57:22 No. 39084>>39112

>>37647 (OP)
Coarse Enigma back again.
>(tr|b)ash : Unix Scripting Overview
>http://cgjzkysxa4ru5rhrtr6rafckhexbisbtxwg2fg743cjumioysmirhdad.onion/blog/thoughts-on-bash-scripting.html
What does lain think?
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strlst 2020-12-26 20:22:23 No. 39088

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>>38867
>>39010
brought everything up to speed
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Y.T 2020-12-26 20:48:49 No. 39089>>39091>>39093>>39094>>39102>>39156>>39347

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>>37647 (OP)
My site: https://skumsoft.ltd/slimenet/
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qorg11 2020-12-26 21:18:36 No. 39091

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>>39089
Added
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concealed.world 2020-12-26 21:55:23 No. 39093>>39143

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>>39089
Nice site, your banner is a mess though. To be fair, the part from the first thread saying something along the lines of "Try to keep it under 50 KB," was ommitted.
I assume you did it with some kind of recording software. I had a look and it has 270+ 10ms frames, so I'm not surprised it's 2.2 MB. Even with some optimisation I only got it down to 1.7. Looking at the HTML on https://skumsoft.ltd/, I saw that it was a transparent png with a looping gif background.
I ended up just taking a screenshot, because I didn't want to subject people on Tor to downloading a 2+ MB banner. This ended up being sharper, but it's not animated. If you ever want me to add another banner image let me know.
Added https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
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Nobody special 2020-12-26 22:39:38 No. 39094>>39143

>>39089
I like your site a lot
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Grafo Volaverunt 2020-12-27 02:32:15 No. 39102

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>>39089
I will update the webring on my site later today but I tried to optimize your banner and got it to 360k. Also great site!
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Linda Lee 2020-12-27 07:38:15 No. 39112>>39205

>>39084
I've written some brief notes.
In many cases, there is improperly used where their should be. I also saw this with your and you're, along with other errors I won't mention.
>These names can be abbreviated via aliases, Get-ChildItem -> gci which is much more respectable.
Why is this more respectable? Explain.
>Microsoft is a direct competitor to *nix, and the command line is really far to important for Microsoft to own.
I'm a UNIX-HATER, so I'm inclined to point out that UNIX neither invented nor owns the command line as well.
>Powershell is an attempt to blend both but dumps Unix culture, C, and hands control of the shell to Microsoft.
This is, again, an odd sentence.
>Historically, there has been no effective competitor to the Unix CLI.
This is false. I don't have a video offhand, but take a look at the Lisp Listener available on Lisp Machines. These provided an REPL interface, but the text maintained its identity; this means that printing an integer, or anything else, doesn't make it become a senseless string of characters, because the system still knows what it actually is; it could also do things the UNIX sh can't, such as using array functions to manipulate image files, with results shown at the listener like anything else.
I didn't learn anything from this post, but I'm already very knowledgeable. I appreciate the surveillance of Powershell was mentioned, as I'd actually forgotten about that detail. To conclude, it's odd to read the valid criticisms of sh, but see the author still defend it; sh, along with the rest of UNIX, is a disgusting mess.
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Unknown 2020-12-27 22:22:20 No. 39143

>>39093
you got me red handed recording it lmao, but Ill try to remake it here at some point instead of recording like a lazy fuarrrk
thanks a bunch for adding me!!
>>39094
thank you!
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Grafo Volaverunt 2020-12-28 05:51:56 No. 39156

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>>39089
added!
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XERXES 2020-12-28 15:48:55 No. 39170>>39172>>39174>>39347>>39964>>40014

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https://bendersteed.tech
Nice idea, I'm working on adding a webring to my blog as well, would it be fine to share it there?
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Lain Iwakura 2020-12-28 16:25:39 No. 39172

>>39170
> I'm working on adding a webring to my blog as well, would it be fine to share it there?
What exactly do you mean, lainon? Put our webring on your website, or share some other webring in this thread?
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concealed.world 2020-12-28 16:51:44 No. 39174>>39186

>>39170
Nice site, added you https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
>I'm working on adding a webring to my blog as well, would it be fine to share it there?
Assuming you mean add the web ring, yes, that's the idea. Either hosting it yourself, or linking to someone else's web ring copy out of laziness.
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Joe Bloggs 2020-12-28 19:39:25 No. 39186

>>39174
Thanks for adding it!
Yeah that's what I meant.
I'm working on a static site extension that will automatically grab and build as html from rss feeds and present them in my blog. So maybe I'll combine it with the webring created here.
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Jim Hilger 2020-12-28 23:08:57 No. 39195>>39200

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What about apng?
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Netrunner 2020-12-29 00:14:40 No. 39200>>39207

>>39195
how the hell did you do that?
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Haruyoshi 2020-12-29 01:35:03 No. 39205

>>39112
edgy
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Switch 2020-12-29 01:52:29 No. 39207

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>>39200
It's a file format.
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Arisu Mizuki 2020-12-30 00:23:55 No. 39242>>39243

is it okay if i just submit a link to my neocities page? i'm too poor to afford a cheap domain + i like the community aspect of it.
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concealed.world 2020-12-30 00:25:31 No. 39243

>>39242
There's already a couple of Neocities sites on here anyway, I don't see why not.
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kuz!WezrG/5mtU 2020-12-30 01:56:02 No. 39244>>39246>>39247>>39258>>39260>>39263>>39273

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Hey. I thought I'd take a shot at joining too.
Here is my site: https://kuz.lol/
and here's the webring: https://kuz.lol/ring.php
In theme with this site, I would also like everyone to take a look at a recent project of mine—which seeks to allow everyone free hosting (and a free subdomain if you want). Think neocities but no file restrictions, you can connect your own domain (or get one via KolymaNET). You can edit your files through FTP as well. I would appreciate if some of you took a look at it, so far i think about 6 people have joined and are currently using our servers.
Here's the link to the aforementioned project: https://freehostingproject.cf
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Agent Jones 2020-12-30 02:18:51 No. 39246

>>39244
Love the Tomo pictures! Nice color scheme, too.
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qorg 2020-12-30 02:39:17 No. 39247>>39248

>>39244
nice website, sadly it's cloudflared, so, i'm sorry
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kuz!WezrG/5mtU 2020-12-30 02:47:58 No. 39248>>39249>>39263

>>39247
Why does this matter? The site recieves too much traffic for my Internet Service Provider to handle, it is a necessity.
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qorg 2020-12-30 02:49:01 No. 39249>>39251>>39253>>39254

>>39248
https://codeberg.org/qorg11/stop_cloudflare
summary:
>Discriminates tor users
>Sniffs all the SSL traffic (It's a MITM)
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kuz!WezrG/5mtU 2020-12-30 02:58:21 No. 39251>>39252>>39253>>39261>>39263

>>39249
>>Discriminates tor users
No it does not. You can access my site on tor without problem. As for other sites using cloudflare, thats a different story.
>>Sniffs all the SSL traffic (It's a MITM)
You would be hardpressed to find any reverse-proxy service that doesnt do this.
The site has minimimal setting enabled, there are no captchas and 90% of the stuff written in that article doesnt apply here. I think you are overreacting.
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qorg 2020-12-30 03:02:11 No. 39252>>39267

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>>39251
I use tor in pale moon, so yes, it discriminates tor users
tor != tor browser.
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Nell 2020-12-30 03:05:35 No. 39253>>39254>>39257>>39264

>>39251
Sage because the thread topic is not about cloudflare.... but are you seriously shilling for cloudflare and/or think that >>39249 is "overreacting" because the "everyone else does it" excuse and the classic "it works for me though" sentiment? I would like to remind you where you are....
I would also highly suggest a glass of water, cold shower, and a nap before finally reconsidering what you are saying.
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kuz!WezrG/5mtU 2020-12-30 03:10:01 No. 39254>>39257>>39261>>39263

>>39253
>but are you seriously shiIIing for cloudflare
No. I know it is a less than optimal service.
>and/or think that >>39249 is "overreacting" because the "everyone else does it" excuse and the classic "it works for me though" sentiment?
I dont see where the "it works for me" argument was ever used, nor did i use "everyone else does it" as an argument. Yes, I do think he is overreacting. I also think using tor for everyday browsing is overreacting and a waste of tors bandwidth, unless he lives in a country where that is necessary, though, seeing as his own site is hosted in spain, that wouldnt seem to be the case. No, I am not using this as justification for it not being tor-compatible, i have always been able to access it through tor so either i am suffering from a fluke, or something else is going on.
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qorg 2020-12-30 03:13:50 No. 39257>>39259

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>>39254
>I also think using tor for everyday browsing is overreacting and a waste of tors bandwidth, unless he lives in a country where that is necessary, though, seeing as his own site is hosted in spain,
i use tor every day because video related
I repeat the question >>39253 asked: Do you know where you are?
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Marly Krushkhova 2020-12-30 03:15:49 No. 39258

>>39244
added
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qorg 2020-12-30 03:18:45 No. 39259

>>39257
plus it's not a waste of tor's bandwith because i run my own node Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!
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Crazy Jake 2020-12-30 03:28:44 No. 39260>>39262>>39272

>>39244
sorry, I don't add cloudflare sites. if you have a tor/i2p mirror, I'll add that instead, though
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concealed.world 2020-12-30 03:29:23 No. 39261>>39262>>39272

>>39251
>>39254
I would side with qorg on this one, I'd rather not give an entity like Cloudflare more leverage with which to spread its tendrils into everything. In your situation, I wish I knew of a good alternative I could recommend.
People are at liberty to add or omit what sites from the thread they wish onto their copy of the web ring, it'd be rather silly of me to add a site I can't visit and suggest others visit it.
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kuz!WezrG/5mtU 2020-12-30 03:33:43 No. 39262>>39263>>39266>>39270>>39271

>>39260
>>39261
Alright. I will withdraw as well. Apologies to all.
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Project 2501 2020-12-30 03:41:47 No. 39263>>39264>>39266>>39277

>>39244
>>39248
>>39251
>>39254
>>39262
holy soykaf that was quick, you bullied him off in under an hour. also hi kuz I didnt know you used lainchan
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The Plague 2020-12-30 03:45:28 No. 39264

>>39263
I agree that >>39253 was a little rude, but otherwise I don't see how any of this was bullying? No insults were thrown, just stating a dislike for Cloudflare.
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concealed.world 2020-12-30 03:47:35 No. 39266

>>39263
Feel pretty bad honestly, I really want to include as many people as I can. But I won't add people out of sympathy.
Cloudflare is a deal-breaker, it's a leech on the free internet, for all reasons aforementioned.
>>39262
No need to apologise, no hard feelings. I hope you find another solution and come back some time.
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Jens Hansen 2020-12-30 03:51:40 No. 39267>>39269

>>39252
Try using tbb user agent next time.
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qorg 2020-12-30 03:56:53 No. 39269

>>39267
that's what i do, i removed the ua to show that cloudflare discriminates against tor users for no reason
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Agent Smith 2020-12-30 03:59:13 No. 39270

>>39262
it is a nice site, very well designed and all. Perhaps you can find a cloudflare alternative? There are alternatives that arent as soykaf, though not many.
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The Oracle 2020-12-30 04:52:17 No. 39271

>>39262
hahaha, kuz posts here? wow
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Faye Valentine 2020-12-30 04:58:49 No. 39272

>>39261
>>39260
Is there a cloudflare alternative you find "acceptable"?
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Jim Hilger 2020-12-30 05:15:52 No. 39273>>39274>>39275>>39296

the amount of soykaf >>39244 got flor cloudflare shows how circle-jerky this place is
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Donna Hawthorne 2020-12-30 05:28:21 No. 39274

>>39273
They were right for pointing out that cloudflare is garbage...
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Cypher 2020-12-30 05:51:25 No. 39275>>39289>>39308

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>>39273
>people sharing an opinion based on reason and fact equals circle jerking
ok
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Frank Garza 2020-12-30 06:19:54 No. 39277>>39299

>>39263
i didnt know he did either, but just learned about him recently linked from another altchan
https://kuz.neocities.org/kuz.html
small world
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BloodCat 2020-12-30 12:21:11 No. 39289>>39292>>39296

>>39275
>>people sharing an opinion based on reason and fact equals circle jerking
Nobody gave any reason or facts though. The responses itt are literally "ew cloudflare go away".
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Drano 2020-12-30 13:24:15 No. 39292>>39300

>>39289
>>cloud flare excludes/ discriminates against tor users
>>cloudflare centralizes internet
>>cloudflare mitms tls
>literally "ew cloudflare go away".
K
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concealed.world 2020-12-30 14:27:45 No. 39296>>39303

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>>39273
>>39289
There isn't any need for web ring drama, as you can add all the Cloudflare sites you want to your own local copy of the ring.
Personally I won't be though, for all the reasons above already said, and because Tor users are a substantial portion of the visitors on my site. I see avoiding Cloudflare sites and imageboards only looking to advertise, as a kind of quality gatekeeping to make the web ring a better experience for visitors and website owners, and truer to the original purpose.
>Nobody gave any reason or facts though.
I'll dump all this so people can stop talking about it.
* Cloudflare needs users to enable cookies and JavaScript (JS these days can literally follow your mouse movements, it's entirely reasonable to prefer to keep it disabled across the board).
* Everything on the internet depends on a central server, which means that everyone must abide by the central server's whims in regards to acceptable content, and if the server has trouble, all websites have trouble.
* Cloudflare operates as a MITM, distributing their copies of a website to the eventual end-user. They can edit or remove whatever they want theoretically.
* It makes accessing websites far more difficult for those with low-end computers or comparatively poor bandwidth.
* Cloudflare descriminates against Tor users, effectively forcing people to use and have logged their real IP address when visiting a website.
* Cloudflare can return fake IP addresses owned by themselves to filter users, which can break software.
* By using the same gateway to access the vast majority of online services, it is far easier to make a profile of you as an individual and follow you around the web.
I have no idea who would actively, actually want this for the web, beyond ignorance or apathy.
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Batou 2020-12-30 15:44:53 No. 39299>>39301

>>39277
This is literally who manufactured identity. I have never heard of "popular russian 9chan", let along any memes connected to it. Russian Internet culture encyclopedias show nothing when I search for 9chan or "kuz", and there is definitely no Wikipedia articles about him. First Russian chan is officially 2ch.ru, it was first announced on anime community at livejournal in 2006.
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Boris Grishenko 2020-12-30 16:00:29 No. 39300>>39302

>>39292
>K
And how is anyone supposed to know that before you elaborated? You all subconsciously post around an unspoken narrative. What is a circle jerk?
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concealed.world 2020-12-30 16:02:06 No. 39301>>39304

>>39299
Yeah, I thought that was odd, I had seen the claims more than once and it was making me wonder, and I decided to check.
I searched the full name claimed on https://kuz.neocities.org/, and the only result was the about page. I searched the first and last name claimed on https://kuz.lol/, and the only result was his own site, several links down. Searching "9chan" bears nothing related on the first page. It makes it all seem quite unlikely, but oh well, it's not my business.
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concealed.world 2020-12-30 16:09:54 No. 39302>>39303

>>39300
>subconsciously post around an unspoken narrative.
It's hardly subconscious, concerns of privacy are brought up regularly on other parts of the board, and people are free to curate their copy of the ring around that. I believe the term to use here would be "Lurk moar."
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Crash Override 2020-12-30 16:33:51 No. 39303>>39305

>>39302
>I believe the term to use here would be "Lurk moar."
I can't participate in the discussion without being initiated into the hidden narrative everyone implicitly agrees to. But it's totally not a circle jerk. That makes sense.
>>39296
>I have no idea who would actively, actually want this for the web, beyond ignorance or apathy.
You're the one who doesn't understand why someone would use a technology but they are the ignorant ones.
So much cope itt.
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Delilah 2020-12-30 16:49:50 No. 39304>>39313

>>39301
all that i know about him comes from here
https://kissu.moe/qa/res/4165
ctrl+f "kuz"
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concealed.world 2020-12-30 16:51:16 No. 39305>>39308

>>39303
>I can't participate in the discussion without being initiated into the hidden narrative everyone implicitly agrees to.
True, I think that is part of the "culture" here, although again it is completely transparent, not hidden - and I'd like to think it's based largely in facts and reason, rather than in being some kind of larper. I only bring to attention why I may not add someone for their interest, because I see it as useful information: no one's going to try to bar you from talking, or delete your posts, or anything like that, and if you want those sites on your ring I certainly wouldn't stop you.
>You're the one who doesn't understand why someone would use a technology but they are the ignorant ones.
I can understand its purpose as a CDN, but I'm of the opinion that in regards to Cloudflare specifically the negatives (see posts above) heavily outweigh the positives - even more so when running a very small site with little need for one - and so I'll do as I like with my own webring. That's what I mean when I say I have "no idea".
If you want to address any particular point I brought up and argue it that's fine, but otherwise let's just agree to disagree by now. I won't keep going unless there's anything new to add.
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Nobody special 2020-12-30 17:06:34 No. 39306>>39307>>39309>>39312>>39436

I have realized after creating a site that I'm not an interesting person, I don't have any cool soykaf to talk about, to teach people or anything like that, only depressive thoughts that I'd prefer to avoid talk about if anything. This is really sad.
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concealed.world 2020-12-30 17:10:30 No. 39307>>39347>>39436

>>39306
My recommendation is to keep notes - you've probably heard this everywhere else. Otherwise 95% of your ideas will go to waste. Most good ideas are too big to implement immediately, I actually have a backlog of over a dozen things I'd like to do/talk about at the moment.
In the meantime, publish your site and leave it fairly bare for a while, it's hardly a crime, and will motivate you to slowly fill it, bit by bit.
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Ein 2020-12-30 17:12:36 No. 39308

>>39305
> it is completely transparent, not hidden - and I'd like to think it's based largely in facts and reason
Piling on a person for tripping over the hidden narrative with no explanation is the opposite of that actually. You didn't say "don't use X because A, B, C". You just said "don't use X and lurk moar". Avoiding direct challenges like that means your "culture" is invested in maintaining a status quo regardless of facts. Again, what is a circle jerk?
>That's what I mean when I say I have "no idea".
Well no, you're just projecting your own circumstances and requirements onto everyone else and therefor anyone who acts different must be an idiot. Just because you try hard to use fancy words and look smart doesn't mean you are.
>If you want to address any particular point I brought up
>>39275
>people sharing an opinion based on reason and fact equals circle jerking
You didn't post any "reason and facts". And it is a circle jerk.
>let's just agree to disagree by now
I accept your defeat. I hope you learn from this experience.
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Agent Jones 2020-12-30 17:35:11 No. 39309

>>39306
there are several sites on the webring that have little to no actual content. some aren't even online anymore. the bar to "interesting" is far lower to clear than you think. :)
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Grafo Volaverunt 2020-12-30 19:04:12 No. 39312>>39347

>>39306
Just do it. Don't think it in terms of content that need to be produced. Just put whatever cross your head. No matter what you put in your site there is always going to be someone who will find value on it.
Im looking forward to see your page lainaon
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Yet Another Lainon 2020-12-30 19:36:23 No. 39313>>39314>>39315>>39318>>39321>>39336

>>39304
I'd say reading all the posts that don't contain word kuz would be more informative.
>heyuri.net - an imageboard centered around early 2000s nostalgia, has been revived by a russian business man named Yuri Kuznetsoff.
Yeah, nah. I remember heyuri.cf being spammed around chans since beginning of 2019. It looked like an amateur attempt at making gallery/booru website by someone who's no older than 18.
The neocities page reads like a load of crap. Mykoyanovich is not even a real patronymic, and is redundant. It's derived from Armenian surname Mikoyan which is patronymic itself: "Michael's son". There is no "birthday boy" words in Russian. There is a word именинник derivative from именины, a saint name day. But there is no custom for birthday person to wear such t-shirts like it is in the US. Just look up "birthday boy tshirt" and "футболка именинник", at most you'll get results like "футболка с днем рождения" which means "happy birthday to you tshirt", worn by people who organize the party. If such t-shirt exists, the owner would proudly show it to us, especially since it was a big meetup judging from his true cool stories.
There is no "eastern accent" in Russian language. The language has been completely uniformed through standardized education and population migrations in the 20th century. Some very old remote villagers do have local dialects and people who use Russian as second or interchangeably to their native language do have accents, but not people whose Russian language is the only one. Even people in urban Belarus, Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan don't have any definitive accents in their speech, they speak standard Russian dialect.
His computer basement room has US power outlets: https://blog.kuz.lol/posts/90320.php I've seen many Russian nerd rooms, they immediately look different even if you don't see such obvious detail as power outlets, foremost thing is distinct American style high baseboard, carpeting and wall plaster/paint hue. In Russia baseboards are much lower, nobody has full-floor grey carpets and almost all rooms have windows because even private houses rarely sport underground rooms suitable enough to make a computer dungeon like it's popular in US. Walls are another giveaway, but I'm pretty good at detecting this grayish paint in US interiors, Russian walls would either be covered in kitschy wallpaper ranging from 70's to 2000's hardware store collections or very light colored paint with white being the most sensible option due to very low amount of sunlight hours in Russia in general to maximize lighting. Styles of shelves, desks and Clorox can also point to North American location. Even if moving to US is a popular option for IT specialists from Russia, they obviously don't end up like him, they are completely different demographic with different interests, job at big corpo, and lesser attitudes to hoarding old computer hardware.
His own webpage https://kuz.lol/ has bold statements:
Media Appearances
2005 - mentioned on 2nn.jp
2006 - mentioned on omsk central television
2007 - substory on omsk central television
2008 - substory on omsk.ru
2008 - substory feature on yahoo.co.jp
2009 - front-page feature on omsk.ru
2009 - mentioned in the wall street journal
2009 - online interview with omsk central television
2012 - in-person interview with OTTV. <- what TV station is this?
2014 - mail.ru front page feature
2015 - vkontatke news aggregator front page feature <- can't even spell properly (does it even have a news aggregator?)
2016 - mentioned in huffington post
2017 - front page on mail.ru
2017 - front page on omsk.ru
2017 - mentioned in television broadcast - OCTV <- what TV station is this?
2019 - substory on mail.ru
No proofs whatsoever.
I doubt he's even real Russian, just some American larper. Many links to images and pages on his websites show 404 error, which means he has not finished fabricating them, they do not exist yet. His "social media" accounts are all made in last 4 months, he's somewhat active on Discord chatrooms with degenerate slang and image macros judging from screenshots posted around his webpages and chans where his personality is discussed. All "epic insider revelations" are posted on a file hosting site hosted at his own kolyma network. Neocities page says "last updated: 11/22/15" but itself is created in September 2020. There is also a full copy of neocities page at on one of his https://freehostingproject.cf/ sites: http://arc.kjpcdn.cf/arhiva/kuz/neoanon/neocities-kuz/
I'd classsify this whole thing as net-art ARG with le olde interwebz atmosphere, good enough for nostalgia-overwhelmed 14 year-olds I think. Until links to news articles and original "9chan" existence are provided, everything said by people who know "kuz" is pure fiction.
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Jet Black 2020-12-30 20:18:00 No. 39314

>>39313
Nice writeup, thank you. I had no prior position on this and only intended on providing details for what I had seen about him previously.
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Unsigned 2020-12-30 21:22:10 No. 39315>>39333

>>39313
I've been on Russian imageboards since 2007, including invite-only obscure ones for 20 people, but never heard of 9channel. It couldn't have had half a million of users without also being in a parallel reality where 2ch/0ch/iichan don't exist. Really seems that some poor soul is crafting an imaginary world where he is a cool and respected webmaster and businessman and engineer and the best boy there ever was.
>Mykoyanovich is not even a real patronymic
Mikoyan can be a name, so it's a real patronymic. Quite rare though.
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Drifter 2020-12-30 22:01:37 No. 39318>>39333

>>39313
people who have been in this for a long time know that "kuz" is just a pen-name used by multiple people. Its not 1 single person, i have heard about him alot these past few years and it doesnt seem like its just 1 man behind it all (not to mention the huge amount of work required by one person to create all these sites and users).
I actually dont even think the kuz who posted in this thread is the real "kuz" whoever that may be.
conclusion: russian psyop created by putin himself and also can we go back to webring stuff instead of this off topic soykafstorm
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The Oracle 2020-12-31 00:18:17 No. 39321>>39333>>39336

>>39313
>they do not exist yet. His "social media" accounts are all made in last 4 months,
he deletes his old ones and makes new ones all the time.
this is his 2014 youtube channe: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFhT5Nt7EF5TgBczbBo51jg
his 2018 twitter:
https://twitter.com/Kuznets14185097
i could go on. i dont know why he does that but it gives the illusion that all of his stuff is created recently.
> I doubt he's even real Russian, just some American larper.
I have heard him speak russian before on a since deleted youtube video that he made in may this year, it was something about 9chan "ap" board and it has 1.2k views or something, i will look for reuploads and ask around on his sites
>His computer basement room has US power outlets
He said he moved to the United States in 2014, I asked around and this seems to be accepted.
>Even if moving to US is a popular option for IT specialists from Russia, they obviously don't end up like him, they are completely different demographic with different interests, job at big corpo, and lesser attitudes to hoarding old computer hardware.
I would say with a reputation as awful as his is, it would be hard to get a job anywhere, but he says he has about 4 bitcoins and a ton of savings through property investments, of course he never provided any direct proof but he spends money lavishly and the like, he doesnt seem to be in an any financial trouble since he doesnt work a job.
i dont know what to think really, i have seen so much conflicting evidence from both sides that i am convinced it is 90% just him trying to muddy the waters around his extremely shady past.
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Molly Millions 2020-12-31 02:16:02 No. 39329>>39331

null made the real 9chan.
forget this kuz person. let's get back to webring soykaf
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Y.T 2020-12-31 02:54:06 No. 39331>>39332>>39334>>39436>>39457

>>39329
yes please!
back to the topic at hand, what (if any) JS is considered acceptable? i would like to add my site here but it uses some of my own homemade JS, it has nothing malicious and its mostly for stylistic reasons, is this okay?
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Unnamed 2020-12-31 03:09:23 No. 39332

>>39331
As long as it's non-obfuscated and only performs functions that plain CSS couldn't do, I think it's just fine.
I use JS on two pages on my site:
1. the hidden rollcall, to show what week of the year it is (to help judge if a site has been down a while)
2. the poetry index, to make the table sortable by title or date
Neither of these are essential to using the site, and it still works just fine in text-based browsers; I just like the extra little functionality.
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Unspecified 2020-12-31 03:12:53 No. 39333>>39336>>39337>>39340>>39436>>39471

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>>39315
Just looked up Микоянович seems like it's indeed a real patronymic, but the implied bilinguistic construction behind it is bizarre. Example, WWII soldier born 1910: https://glory.rin.ru/cgi-bin/lost.pl?act=more&id=634073&surname=&father=&name=&birth=0000&act=src&page=12682
My immediate thought was that Mikoyan might have been a name given to boys in honor of Anastas Mikoyan, a revolutionary, in a following Soviet fashion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_Soviet_origin
Fullest list at Wikipedia contains no such name: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_имён_советского_происхождения
But since that man was born in 1910, he might also have been an orphan of civil war at age of 12, adopting a patronymic in honour of the revolutionary, that's a really wild stretch.
There are no people people named Kuznetsov Y(uri) M(ikoyanovich) in Omsk in the open phone number databases. Since he's born in 1988, and those were leaked somewhere around early 2000's, his name would appear there, if it was real. There are no birth dates supplied to names, and the list is probably very incomplete in my opinion.
His name may also be a compound riddle of some sorts, for example, as >>39318 claims, again with zero first-person evidence, that this is a pen name of multiple people, hence the name Kuz-net and Kuz-nets might imply it's a network of people, also kuzzy-kins. If we take his given name, Юрий spelled Yuri is an ecchi/hentai genre, patronymic Miko is a shrine servant, and also heyuri domain name also contains his name, with some sources claiming that he "bought" the website from previous owner in early 2020. Every page has emphasis on him being 32 years old, why would you even point your age that way even if you fabricated a plausibly sounding pen name?
This thread https://archive.rebeccablacktech.com/g/thread/79124012/ has a few screenshots featuring kuz. People in screenshots seem to buy into him being Russian, or it's all just an act or manufactured pictures. OP pic seemed familiar, in fact there is a thread with same picture and theme here on lainchan made in November: >>>/r/20829
"9chan" might also be a code name for 4chan r9k chatrooms on Discord the character seems to visit, maybe that's what they call their steam community which was active in 2019: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/9channel
There is also a wider lore of connected characters, a girl under nickname cvnka (homograph to Russian word свинка, "piggie"), there is a youtube channel under this name, can't tell whether her accent is US or Eastern European from the heavy lisp.
A a link to Discord chatroom and picture posted by cvnka or someone associated with her character says Blue Whale:
https://archiveofsins.com/soc/thread/27646897
Blue Whale is a self-harm and suicidal ARG that was popular among Russian teens in 2017. According to 771329 post
on this thread https://web.archive.org/web/20201120032606/https://lolcow.farm/snow/res/302894.html she and her clique indulge in manipulations that lead others to self-harm. (Dumb teenagers being dumb, yeah, who remembers tsuki project)
The neocities page, chatroom screenshots and drama plastered on other chans say completely opposite things: she is either Russian, Polish, Ukrainian or USAnian from Michigan. Using Russian-esque culture references and phrases is not that uncommon in modern world, it's no different from using moonrunes for some people, there was for example a Brazilian instagram girl who used handle Келли Розарио, she was popularized by mewch, another cancerous imageboard from a while ago.
>>39321
What address was this "9chan/9ch/devyach" board located at? Currently it doesn't exist, and https://9chan.moe/ is fresh off press this year with links to script downloads showing 404.
4 bitcoins in 2014, or whatever year people claim he has come to USA are not enough to even settle you there, Russians have no special treatments in receiving a Green Card, is he an illegal then?
I understand silly webpages with "facts" friends would write to make fun of each other, but whole load of vile astroturfing and mass-manipulation stuff surrounding this persona is not nearly on same level.
https://www.heyuri.net/index.php?p=russian is machine translated af
https://2ちゃん.net/warota.php?page=2 : "interesting post made on kuzs tor textboard (ru to eng)" is obviously written in English first: https://2ちゃん.net/src/732.txt
Damn, what am i doing with my life, investigating some boring ass lowlifes chatroom drama, shiiet. Thank you for attention.
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Switch 2020-12-31 03:20:53 No. 39334

>>39331
Search for static hosting, sortable tables (with alternative to download offline spreadsheet), downloadable calculator pages and downloadable html5 games are ok, the script should not infringe navigation and viewing of the site, every dynamic element should only interact user-side and be offline/archive-friendly, it should not download dynamic external sources. If you believe a webpage would consume less server/bandwidth resources when javascript code is implemented, make it alternative, but keep the static nojs navigable pages along with it.
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Agent Richard Gill 2020-12-31 04:23:21 No. 39336

>>39321
>>39313
>>39333
yeah Sherlock, this is a webring thread
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Delilah 2020-12-31 04:37:30 No. 39337

>>39333
cool. are you done yet? the point you are trying to make is clear
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Drifter 2020-12-31 07:25:11 No. 39340>>39341

>>39333
unlike the other two i'll say well done. maybe post this in the kissu.moe thread and see what it stirs
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Ishikura "Tatsu" Tatsuhiko 2020-12-31 07:32:20 No. 39341>>39342

>>39340
it looks to me like they are fed up with this drama already, please go back to your cancerous discord dramafagging soykafhole. We dont care, this is not a thread about kuz.
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Splicer 2020-12-31 07:45:22 No. 39342>>39344

>>39341
you need to chill lain. 3 deep breaths.
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Sipho Nkosi 2020-12-31 10:13:08 No. 39344

>>39342
lain is right though. this sherlock soykaf is off-topic and should go in its own thread
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Hitomi 2020-12-31 14:49:16 No. 39347>>39354>>39436>>39441

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To bring this back to a webring thread:
>>37696
>>39010
Your sites are not working, lainons. Can't check if there is any lainchan webring.
>>38121
Added. Interesting site you got there.
>>38177
Make your banner 240x60 and I'll add you.
>>38669
>>38698
Put a lainchan webring there, make a 240x60 banner and ask again.
>>38690
Added. I liked your articles, anon. This https://sftn.github.io/#03_courage was really good.
>>38753
Added. You have a great site, lainon.
>>38754
Added.
>I decided to just make a quick one and maybe update it later
Yeah, I did that too.
>>38778
Added. Cool banner
>>38867
Added.
>do yall think it has the guts to join yer webring
A lainchan webring in your site is all I ask for and you have it.
>>39089
>>39170
I like your sites, lainons, but couldn't find any lainchan webring there, sadly.
Pic related is my lainchan webring right now. If someone is missing there, please send me your site.
You don't need to add my site, but I do require a lainchan webring somewhere on your site(even if it doesn't have my site there), you can simply just link to someone else's webring.
If you want to add my site, you can find my banner here:
https://computability.neocities.org/link.html
>>39307
>>39312
>>39312
Thank you for your advice, lainons!
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Grafo Volaverunt 2020-12-31 17:18:33 No. 39354>>39382

>>39347
Here is my banner and the webring on my page:
https://grafovolaverunt.xyz/links.html
Also, good first post and I really find it relatable. That feeling of beeing less creative than before is one I share myself but I don't know if it's necessarily true, I just think we got so used to consume so much information constantly that we expect to generate ideas at the same speed. I don't know if its the same for you but new ideas always came to me in those moments of silence, when you are not doing anything or just doing random chores. The problem is that now we can fill every single bit of silence with stuff.
Its not that we are less creative, we just have less time to think
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Roger Pollack 2021-01-01 07:10:44 No. 39376

Happy new year lains! I hope to see some fun new content on your sites soon!
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Spooky 2021-01-01 16:14:44 No. 39382>>39449

>>39354
Added. Nice banner and I liked that NAGA music. Good stuff.
>I just think we got so used to consume so much information constantly that we expect to generate ideas at the same speed
I agree. It took me some time to see that just consuming information after information is really bad. It's good to know more, but I was not taking my time to think about what I read and learn. It got the point that all that information was becoming useless, I was not using it, I was not even trying to better understand it, I was just "accumulating" information that would soon become useless for me.
>Its not that we are less creative, we just have less time to think
Yes, exactly this.
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wiredspace.de 2021-01-02 11:49:16 No. 39436>>39452

>>39306
My site is lacking of content, too. The only thing I uploaded on it since I started it was by post on blogc. The whole "wiki" I have I did a while back.
Currently I use it to document my findings with software and how to configure it. I hope to expand this in the future to more general programming stuff (mainly), but for now that is what I do.
You know, hoping other people can find something useful I had hoped to find.
>>39307
>publish your site and leave it fairly bare for a while, it's hardly a crime, and will motivate you to slowly fill it, bit by bit.
Yup, nicely put.
>>39331
>what (if any) JS is considered acceptable?
I would say that highly depends on the person you're talking to. I'd say don't use any javascript because I despise it, but if you decide to add some then make your site perfectly usable without it so people like me can disable it while still being able to use your site.
>>39333
I understand everyone's fascination with the "kuz" topic, but I'd love if this thread keeps on topic with the webring. I suggest that if you want to continue talking about this open a new thread. I'm sure people will start a discussion there.
>>39347
>Added.
Thank you and everyone else! I have still to create my own webring instead of linking to https://concealed.world/
I hope everyone doesn't mind too much. So far my webring would look the same.
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John Rain 2021-01-02 13:30:49 No. 39441

>>39347
>I liked your articles
Thanks Lain, good luck with your blog
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Grafo Volaverunt 2021-01-02 16:47:07 No. 39449

>>39382
Thanks for listening! Glad you liked the song, I really appreciate it
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Anamika 2021-01-02 18:38:37 No. 39452>>39454>>39456

If this is a lainchan webring, why not have lainchan.org itself have a page with banners to the websites of people who browse it? The banners and links would all be neatly visible from within lainchan itself, people won't have to copy from one another to stay updated and people like >>39436 wouldn't have to link to other people's webring pages but could link the lainchan one instead. Maybe lainchan.org could also outline some guidelines, like requiring participating sites to at least have some reference to the lainchan webring page if they want to participate. It would also make sense then to orchestrate further webring threads in /q/. In my perspective this would be really cool. What is appleman's stance on this?
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wiredspace.de 2021-01-02 18:59:59 No. 39454>>39456>>39458

>>39452
I think it would be cool in addition to the webring people have themselves. I wouldn't like relying on only one website for the webring, doesn't matter if it's lainchan or not.
If the website decides to take it down then the webring is partially "lost". Decentralize the webring imo
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concealed.world 2021-01-02 19:19:41 No. 39456>>39458

>>39452
I can imagine it being a pain to administrate (e.g. not wanting some individual weirdo to be representative of Lainchan as a website), and it's also not their job either since this is hardly official. But if someone on the team here thought it was worth keeping up with, it would be a pretty cool community project. And I'd like the traffic.
>It would also make sense then to orchestrate further webring threads in /q/.
Yes, probably. Although until we reach that time I'd advocate keeping it in /Ω/, because there will be the most interested parties on this board.
>>39454
This. Though I don't think there's reason to exclude the vast majority of sites from the ring, people should be in charge of their own copies.
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concealed.world 2021-01-02 19:29:41 No. 39457>>39459

>>39331
JavaScript can be useful, and it isn't innately "evil" or anything like that.
In my opinion, JS should be used where convenience features would be useful, one example of this would be on imageboards - where you autofill a post number in a quick reply box upon clicking the post number link, rather than scroll to the top of the page and enter it all manually into the form. What you're describing is probably fine.
Granted, I could guess 90% of the uses of JS on the modern web are stupid. All text content on a page should be legible and scrollable, and there should be a way to view any images and videos on the page. If a site was unusable without JS I probably wouldn't add it to my copy of the ring, as forcing users to enable JS can be a way to infringe on privacy.
My site doesn't use JS, just to make a point that it isn't strictly necessary. Generally I have JS disabled everywhere anyway.
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Neuromancer 2021-01-02 19:32:47 No. 39458

>>39454
I suppose it wouldn't be enforceable anyways. It would still be useful in my view for the reasons I mentioned
>>39456
Yeah, you're right, which is why I would like to hear what the lainchan team or our benevolent dictator has to say.
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qorg 2021-01-02 21:24:28 No. 39459>>39460>>39474

>>39457
in my opinion we should get back to these old BBS and usenets, no JS there
but yeah you're right right about JS, and i'm an anti JS extremist myself
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Hong, Guil Dong 2021-01-02 21:55:08 No. 39460

>>39459
Check out RockSolid ( def2.i2p )
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Fred Nurk 2021-01-03 02:19:38 No. 39470>>39471

what? did the mods delete that post proving 9chans existance?
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Anonymous 2021-01-03 02:22:01 No. 39471>>39486

>>39470
>>39333
They didn't but they should, stop derailing.
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Jim Hilger 2021-01-03 04:37:04 No. 39474

>>39459
>in my opinion we should get back to these old BBS and usenets, no JS there
but yeah you're right right about JS, and i'm an anti JS extremist myself
Check back on this thread in a week. I've got something in the works that would likely appeal to you. It's gonna be fun.
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Six 2021-01-03 04:49:24 No. 39475>>39476>>39477>>39478>>39487

i wanna create free site but scared to enable google on neocities for captcha. Maybe i just need to grow a pair or pay for a VPS but im broke
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Arisu Mizuki 2021-01-03 04:55:15 No. 39476>>39487

>>39475
How broke are you? Getting a VPS is a way to go imo, you can get them for relatively cheep like $5/$10 per month. You can also get domains for like <$15 per year.
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Yamaoto Toshi 2021-01-03 05:13:35 No. 39477

>>39475
tilde.team provides free hosting space (https://tilde.team/wiki/tildepages) and doesn't require a captcha, just basic SSH skills
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Unspecified 2021-01-03 07:12:49 No. 39478

>>39475
I use my own VPS and it's about $5 a month
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Joey 2021-01-03 13:18:52 No. 39486>>39511

>>39471
yes, they did. some anon made a lengthy post about it. dont tell me to stop derailing when you were the one who went on some fuarrrking tirade about it a few replies up.
hypocritical.
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concealed.world 2021-01-03 13:49:22 No. 39487>>39488

>>39475
>>39476
>relatively cheep like $5/$10 per month
Honestly when you mention those kinds of prices, I'd recommend buying a low-end single-board computer because it's a one-off payment and will barely make a dent in your electricity bill. Should be far cheaper in the long run.
If you want to host from home you'll need DDNS - either by some free service or by script if your nameserver allows it - but I've had no issues with that.
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Incognito 2021-01-03 18:33:41 No. 39488>>39495

>>39487
>If you want to host from home you'll need DDNS - either by some free service or by script if your nameserver allows it - but I've had no issues with that.
Of course, there's always the alternative: run a Tor hidden service. Not as wide an audience of course. But it's incredibly easy to do.
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concealed.world 2021-01-03 19:11:29 No. 39495

>>39488
True, forgot to mention that.
>Not as wide an audience of course.
At least here the reach you could have wouldn't be greatly diminished, going purely off my own numbers. We already have a few sites not on the clearnet at all.
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Splicer 2021-01-03 19:48:33 No. 39500

>>39499
i will be adding your banners later today.
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Tomohisa "Tom" Kanezaki 2021-01-03 20:04:27 No. 39504

>>39499
No
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sage sage 2021-01-03 20:13:27 No. 39505

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>>39499
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Donna Hawthorne 2021-01-03 21:18:07 No. 39507

>>39499
BTFO please. 4 horsemen of the infopocalypse ruin everything.
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Anamika 2021-01-03 21:32:11 No. 39511

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>>39486
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concealed.world 2021-01-10 05:20:34 No. 39822>>39825>>39832>>39895

Is it worth having a dedicated communication channel for this community, outside these threads?
Naturally as many people looking to create or promote a site already have done, it has been slower lately, and only going to get slower.
There may still be a sliver of people that won't be finished their site when the last thread hits the bump limit, and without communication the project is "over". And it may just be to the interest of other webmasters to keep talking to each other anyway.
It's been something on my mind. I don't have much to suggest for platform or software at the moment, but I envision something more community-like than individual one-to-one messages.
An aside note: I've been scheming lately, but what I have in mind is too much for my current hardware, so I made a server move recently. Some downtime. I made a mess of things on the back-end, and now my onion addresses have changed. If you keep them anywhere, update at your own leisure:
http://p7lpvjvugswwup5cz45pqblkdqhvatemgvq5kv35maxka5axcoebu3ad.onion/
http://bwnmx7s5dbo2icftd2jpo6g2fbic2ydxgbyylmrcc5p3ukikhv7fh2qd.onion/
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qorg 2021-01-10 06:30:55 No. 39825

>>39822
XMPP Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!
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Leto Atreides I 2021-01-10 10:25:43 No. 39832>>39834

>>39822
>Is it worth having a dedicated communication channel for this community, outside these threads?
I don't think so, any one member of the webring who wants to check on new participants is able to make a new thread should the old one disappear. If it can't inspire even that miniscule effort out of all the webring participants, then it's stagnated anyway.
A more subjective point: if it's not on lainchan, it's decoupled from lainchan. All the people in the webring might come from lainchan at the current moment, but once a separate channel exists, what's stopping people from joining the webring but not being in any other way a part of lainchan? Not that I particularly care about lainchan folk as a community or who joins or whatnot, but I wouldn't call it the lainchan webring then.
>And it may just be to the interest of other webmasters to keep talking to each other anyway.
I prefer any discussion be held on a thread like this, because I think lainchan's format of public discourse is cool and likely what inspired many people to join the webring in the first place. Isn't this already a pretty good platform?
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concealed.world 2021-01-10 13:38:55 No. 39834>>39869

>>39832
I was just musing to myself, thinking over this a second time I would probably agree. Any other channel would be secondary to this. If it slows down it slows down, clearly there's not much to say at that point.
>if it's not on lainchan, it's decoupled from lainchan. All the people in the webring might come from lainchan at the current moment, but once a separate channel exists, what's stopping people from joining the webring but not being in any other way a part of lainchan?
Good point.
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Koos van der Merwe 2021-01-10 19:53:29 No. 39869>>39871

>>39834
>I was just musing to myself, thinking over this a second time I would probably agree. Any other channel would be secondary to this. If it slows down it slows down, clearly there's not much to say at that point.
Yeah, I hope I wasn't too rude in trying to get my perspective across, you bring up a good point of discussion, but in my view things are fine as they are. On a side note, I love your site and am kind of wondering what you might be scheming.
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concealed.world 2021-01-10 20:10:55 No. 39871>>39961

>>39869
>Yeah, I hope I wasn't too rude in trying to get my perspective across
Not at all, it's fine. I was just playing with the idea anyway, I didn't have anything at this point to offer anyone.
>On a side note, I love your site and am kind of wondering what you might be scheming.
I don't like to get people's hopes up too much, the hype train often crashes. But it should be good.
And of course, the question is not what I am scheming, but in which order I execute my schemes. I have enough ideas floating around to keep myself occupied for years in my spare time.
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Haruyoshi 2021-01-10 21:32:30 No. 39895>>39929

>>39822
Maybe an IRC server?
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Boris Grishenko 2021-01-11 02:03:34 No. 39929>>39961

>>39895
Lainchan has irc: irc.lainchan.org/6697
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Cumbia 2021-01-11 03:34:49 No. 39934>>39946

I have updated my webring https://cumbia.neocities.org/banners.html if i forgot someone please tell me.
Here's my banner too add me to your webring's (it is 240x60)
>>38840
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The Oracle 2021-01-11 10:47:44 No. 39946>>39970

>>39934
you have duplicate banner images with different links on there
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Drano 2021-01-11 11:25:32 No. 39951>>39954>>39964>>40014

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hey everyone,
Ive added most of the sites that were still up.
https://hellishchemicals.neocities.org/friends.html
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concealed.world 2021-01-11 11:41:38 No. 39954>>39955

>>39951
Added https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
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Incognito 2021-01-11 11:49:22 No. 39955

>>39954
thank you!
you have a beautiful site!
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Vasya Pupkin 2021-01-11 13:41:15 No. 39961

>>39929
irc could work yeah
>>39871
anyways i can setup a MUC in my XMPP server
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strlst 2021-01-11 13:55:15 No. 39964>>39969

>>39170
intriguing site. kinda late, but added!
>>39951
wow, that is a really cool motif, waiting for the content. I'll be a little disappointed if this doesn't end up being about psychopharmacology. added!
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hellchem 2021-01-11 14:55:21 No. 39969

>>39964
Ive had the image on my pc for a few months, its from
https://www.deviantart.com/bluefluke/art/Knights-of-the-Eastern-Calculus-538674720.
just a placeholder 4 now to be honest, hope to design something new myself as i get to grips with gimp.
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cumbia 2021-01-11 15:16:12 No. 39970

>>39946
That's right I'll fix it
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Agent Jones 2021-01-11 15:29:50 No. 39972

Yeah, I intend to build something like a feed web ring so I'll post back when I'm done.
So I haven't up the lainchan webring yet, since I want to find to time to implement some other stuff as well, and push as one update.
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!Tp9.GentOo 2021-01-11 21:59:09 No. 39997>>39998

Watch out for pedos, lains with guestbooks in their websites...
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SHODAN 2021-01-11 22:29:47 No. 39998>>40000

>>39997
?? did something happen we should know about ??
>>

!Tp9.GentOo 2021-01-11 22:33:53 No. 40000>>40002

>>39998
ya, >>39499 (deleted, thank mods) spammed my guestbook saying that lolis good basically, and they said that im the co founder of his loli hentai websites, well, believe nothing they say.
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Sabo Engle 2021-01-11 23:03:36 No. 40002>>40003

>>40000
oh that is like kicking dead whales down the beach. my guestbook hasnt been abused yet but i do have an inline post delete button so it'd be easy to take care of at least. i might set up a system so that i get an automatic email from the server when one is posted.
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!Tp9.GentOo 2021-01-11 23:08:37 No. 40003

>>40002
i have to edit the sqlite db when i want to do that, maybe i have to craft a control panel for the guestbook or something
>>

Cumbia 2021-01-11 23:13:24 No. 40004>>40008

Fixed and updated adding a few more https://cumbia.neocities.org/banners.html
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Leto Atreides I 2021-01-12 02:09:38 No. 40008>>40017

>>40004
was protocol7 on the second webring thread? I don't see them here, and I don't remember them being on the original one
>>

Grafo Volaverunt 2021-01-12 06:32:42 No. 40014

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>>39951
>>39170
Added!
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concealed.world 2021-01-12 11:54:54 No. 40017>>40027

>>40008
I haven't added them to my copy yet as they haven't made clear the intention to add themselves, but I assume they'll be here soon, as I can see a page for the webring (and another webring) on their site.
>>

Wintermute 2021-01-12 14:18:16 No. 40027>>40028

>>40017
> as I can see a page for the webring (and another webring) on their site
I think that's just because they scraped
>>38121 's site wholesale (before she rewrote the CSS) and her copy of the webring/rollcall came with that
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concealed.world 2021-01-12 14:33:46 No. 40028

>>40027
Ah, I see. I had already noticed that the site was effectively lifted from mayvaneday, on an earlier iteration of the CSS. But I hadn't seen that mayvaneday more recently changed the format of their webring (I last checked that page when they first joined), so I didn't make the connection that was lifted too.
It's an open format so I suppose there's no hard rules against it - I took the #d2738a colour and approximately took a hover CSS animation from fauux - but come on. A little effort, it's only HTML and CSS.
Anyway, I'll stop talking about some random's site now, that's probably enough.
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Dox 2021-01-12 14:44:43 No. 40029>>40030>>40038>>40050

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http://freetext.wz.cz/
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Shogun 2021-01-12 14:58:24 No. 40030>>40032

>>40029
...banner, Anon-kun? An introduction? Even a few words of hello?
>>

Rick Deckard 2021-01-12 14:59:45 No. 40032>>40037

>>40030
I don't have the time right now to make a banner. Maybe later.
>>

Vasya Pupkin 2021-01-12 16:11:58 No. 40037>>40050

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>>40032
I made one for you, cost me 3 minutes
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Ivan Horvat 2021-01-12 17:07:36 No. 40038

>>40029
nice website
what the fuarrrk is that?
also, we are fine, thank you
>>

concealed.world 2021-01-12 23:41:09 No. 40050

>>40029
https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
Added you using >>40037
Odd format, could have sworn I was on a textboard until I took a closer inspection.
>>

Sane Jake 2021-01-13 04:55:54 No. 40061>>40064>>40069

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https://jakes-mail.top
I am extremely pleased by how small my banner is.
Lain may be interested in my mutt page where I offer 'stress free' (I won't ban you) mutt testing.
Once you get the hang of mutt and the other programs that you might use, it is no longer a scary behemoth and you should be able to easily move to cock.li or some other service.
>>

Pris 2021-01-13 06:59:30 No. 40064>>40097

>>40061
I really like the design. It's simple and visually pleasing to me
>>

concealed.world 2021-01-13 08:44:09 No. 40069>>40097

>>40061
https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
Got you added. This was funny to read.
I use stock mutt with multiple accounts, GPG, macros, and a fairly fine-tuned configuration - it's very comfy, and I've not found any other terminal-based e-mail client with the polish necessary to achieve this.
>>

Rick Deckard 2021-01-13 18:19:10 No. 40097

>>40064
I am glad you see it that way, I designed it to emulate 'professional' websites while still having a personality or something.
>>40069
I am still getting the hang of mutt myself, I've gotten what I needed at a bare minimum to work. It is far more interesting tweaking the service than handling mutt, in my opinion.
>>

Yuki Nagato 2021-01-13 20:12:23 No. 40104>>40111>>40395>>40397

So how much money will I spend on maintaining and buying domen-host all the stuff? What services and sources do you recomend to get it all? I have a few sites but I know nothing about making it online.
>>

Agent Smith 2021-01-13 20:38:13 No. 40111>>40113>>40395

>>40104
You can self host for free. I use a popular (that means overpriced) vps and pay about $5 a month.
>>

The Fin 2021-01-13 20:47:12 No. 40113>>40114

>>40111
But isn't it dangerous to host it on my own? Like some dude can dig up the site and find my data and address can't he?
>>

The Fin 2021-01-13 20:53:03 No. 40114>>40115

>>40113
not if you host it as a Tor hidden service, lainon :)
here, I even wrote a guide: https://mayvaneday.art/archive/tutorials/onion.html
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Linda Lee 2021-01-13 20:55:39 No. 40115

>>40114
May the Gods protect you for you help.
>>

Trinity 2021-01-16 16:40:57 No. 40312>>40315

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>>37647 (OP)
here's my contribution
>clearnet
https://theswissbay.ch/pdf
>Tor
http://swissbaync5d7ykaz7dh7v4qjrb4gmen5aj3bogxrcgbb43ij34bjuyd.onion/pdf
>Hyperboria (cjdns)
fc09:eafd:1f1a:7ab5:6e71:c031:37b0:0cab
>Yggdrasil
203:7a1f:33f4:6380:7d7f:fcc5:ad75:1570
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concealed.world 2021-01-16 17:03:10 No. 40315>>40350

https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
http://p7lpvjvugswwup5cz45pqblkdqhvatemgvq5kv35maxka5axcoebu3ad.onion/Other/lainchanwebring.php
>>40312
Cool stuff, added you.
>>

Meddler 2021-01-17 16:21:34 No. 40350

>>40315
thanks, I should create a similar section on my site as well
>>

Koos van der Merwe 2021-01-17 20:14:51 No. 40362

where's yukinu? :(
>>

concealed.world 2021-01-18 14:31:51 No. 40395

>>40104
>>40111
>You can self host for free. I use a popular (that means overpriced) vps and pay about $5 a month.
I feel I should also mention - since I've been keeping an eye on it for a while - if you're interested in tildes, a tilde spawned from this board with an active thread concurrent to our own is beginning to see a little use. It could be worth checking out, I've not been given any incentive to promote it.
Thread: >>34563
https://tildezero.xyz/
>>

Neo 2021-01-18 14:51:33 No. 40397

>>40104
since 2021, all .ch WHOIS data is strictly hidden unless special requests are addressed to nic.ch, so if you don't want to use Tor and still have a clearnet face, then .ch is the way to go.
all it costs is 10 bucks a year, then host it yourself somewhere (at home for free).
>>

ONLINE AND IMPROVED Agent Richard Gill 2021-01-18 17:13:03 No. 40404>>40405>>40408

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born2live.tk
You may or may not have noticed, but my site (salad's lab) has been offline for a bit, because my webmaster had some problems.
This is why I chose to get my own server to play around with.
New and improved, along with a new page : ~thoughts~, Here's my website.
Glad to be back.
born2live.tk
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BloodCat 2021-01-18 17:48:46 No. 40405>>40410

>>40404
Glad to have you back! Can you confirm this is replacing your previous site and it should be removed?
>>

concealed.world 2021-01-18 18:27:50 No. 40408>>40410

https://concealed.world/Other/lainchanwebring.php
>>40404
Added you again. I had noticed because I try to keep regular tabs, glad to see you back. I figure that means I should remove the old link and banner I was using.
I also noticed this and your old domain are HTTP-only - it's not really pertinent unless you're sending sensitive information, but you may want to get HTTPS just because of how painless it is to do with something like Certbot.
>>

Dozer 2021-01-18 19:12:48 No. 40410>>40418

>>40405
Yes, the previous one isn't active anymore, the banner should therefore be removed.
>>40408
I enabled https, but kept http as an option, there just isn't a redirect.
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concealed.world 2021-01-18 21:40:49 No. 40418>>40420

>>40410
Ah alright, got you. I made that mistake since my browser seems to assume http:// before https:// in the case that it isn't specified.
>>

Splicer 2021-01-18 22:14:30 No. 40420

>>40418
it's common practice. sites should redirect http:// to https:// unless any valid reason exists, but on the Internet it's impossible to articulate such a reason thanks to alphabet spies
>>

Anamika 2021-01-18 22:49:36 No. 40423

>>37647 (OP)
i have nothing to add, just wanted to say: good job Lains!
>>

Demeere 2021-01-20 17:14:46 No. 40475>>40492

do we have any updates in the irc srver
>>

Vasya Pupkin 2021-01-20 21:31:50 No. 40492

>>40475
Lainchan has irc , create a new channel #webdev or so.
>>

Yet Another Lainon 2021-01-28 19:59:40 No. 40878>>40880

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I'm rewriting my website to be more modern, and nicer looking, but I don't know any elegant way to integrate a visitor counter elegantly. could anyone point me in the right direction ?
?:
>>

concealed.world 2021-01-28 20:16:51 No. 40880>>40881

>>40878
If you're familiar with shell scripting, I could suggest you read unique IP addresses from a log file. For example: https://git.concealed.world/shell-scripts/file/sitevisitors.html
This could be improved, and I may do that at some point. Assuming you would want to use it you'll need to adjust it to your needs.
>>

qorg 2021-01-28 20:19:16 No. 40881>>40882

>>40880
>logging IP addresses
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concealed.world 2021-01-28 20:23:39 No. 40882>>40883

>>40881
As such it goes. The only person using these scripts is me (I have one for GET requests too), and I have no interest in trying to profile you, but if you don't trust me (you can see the scripts for yourself) there are ways not to participate in all of them - use my onion mirror, use a proxy of some kind, spoof your user-agent, etc.
>>

qorg 2021-01-28 20:26:39 No. 40883>>40885

>>40882
lol i trust you
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concealed.world 2021-01-28 20:37:49 No. 40885>>40892

>>40883
How BOLD of you
But yeah, whatever websites you're visiting, I really could not give less of a damn, and as far as I am aware I have no way of knowing.
I understand privacy concerns, so I'm purposefully only working with http requests, because you can spoof all the relevant information if you want.
It includes the IP address, datetime, file requested, and user-agent. No refferers or cookies or anything like that. It's the bare basic standard, as Lainchan has a unique poster count I assume they use the same. On my onion mirror the IP would just be "127.0.0.1".
The only way to go further beyond is log output to /dev/null, which I recall you do.
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qorg11 2021-01-28 21:47:24 No. 40892

>>40885
>The only way to go further beyond is log output to /dev/null, which I recall you do.
that's right, i don't even tell nginx not to log, no, i redirect it to /dev/null
so yes, nginx logs but to /dev/null, lol
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/* Enter here your own Javascript code... */ /* Have a backup of your storage somewhere, as messing here may render you this website unusable. */ /* You can include JS files from remote servers, for example: */ /* load_js("https://web.archive.org/web/20210129015632/http://example.com/script.js");*/

## User CSS

/* Enter here your own CSS rules... */ /* If you want to make a redistributable style, be sure to have a Yotsuba B theme selected. */ /* You can include CSS files from remote servers, for example: */ @import "https://web.archive.org/web/20210129015632/http://example.com/style.css";

## WebM

Expand videos inline
Play videos on hover
Default volume

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